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I want to insert a gas burning fireplace, Do natural gas inserts burn hotter than propane inserts? Heating myke_cyndy replied: "you can not install your self . you need to have it done by a professional and also if it is oingto be gas then u ha ve to have the gas company install the gas line"
Docar replied: "LP burns almost 3 times hotter. This is taken into consideration on the design of the fireplace and they usually have heat output that is similar!"
Ron G replied: "If I were doing this I would get the natural gas instead. There is no tank to be situated and refilled."
HalfHandy2 replied: "PLEASE tell me you are talking about getting a direct vent gas fireplace not just one of the junky gas log sets. If you go with a gas log you have to disable your damper and you can literally hear your fuel bill go up.
If you are going with a direct vent go with natural gas. The cost will be lower per btu." Energy Conversion in fireplaces or gas inserts? What are all the energy types? How they change from one to the other skiingstowe replied: "Hi,
These are all exothermic reactions which require all three legs of the combustion (triangle) reaction. These are Heat, Oxygen, and fuel. Fuels like wood (solids) need enough heat energy to start the reaction. As long as oxygen and heat are present the reaction will start. When enough heat is generated the reaction feeds on itself (exothermic) it gives of more energy than requird to start it. The same goes for gasses like Natural Gas and or LP gas (liquid propane) In fact all fossil fuels are exothermic in nature. The energy is store in the molecular bonds of the fuel. Once those bonds are broken the procees feeds on itself." Does one's chimney need to be cleaned if one has a gas insert? I've researched on the internet and it says that gas inserts are clean burning. However, we've been told that our chimney needs cleaned and that we need all sorts of things replaced. I'm guessing that "The Chimney Man" is just trying to make some holiday money! Snow job or life saving necessity? po_boy66 replied: "Going only by what you have said it sounds like a snow job. Gas is clean burning meaning you don't get creosote build up. Since you didn't say what supposedly needs replaced can't tell on that one."
Spunnkarma replied: "If you are installing a gas insert there is no need for repairs unless you have brisks or mortar loose. They will run a flue up your chimney so there is no chance of fire. The chimney won't have to be cleaned. Good luck."
mike b replied: "If the gas insert is operating properly you do not need to get the chimney cleaned.
However if the insert is burning too rich it can soot up the chimney. In this case the insert should be repaired then the chimney cleaned.
If you see not black soot in the chimney then it does not need to be cleaned."
TimWarneka replied: "I'd get a second opinion. I have a wood burning stove and the chimney gets cleaned every year. My in-laws have had a gas-log fireplace for 15 years and have never had it cleaned.
Sounds like a snow job, but I'd double check just to make sure there's nothing wrong with your insert."
bigrick45 replied: "The gas furnace needs vented because of carbon monoxide exhaust. They release very little heat up the vent and nothing flammable (unless something is very wrong).
The reason you would need the chimney cleaned or repaired is because if it is stopped up, the exhaust gases can't escape outside and would stay in the house. If you have faults or openings in the chimney, the gases could again recirculate into the house instead of getting outside.
I don't know what the chimney man's intentions are but he is in the chimney business. That's what he does. I wouldn't fault him for wanting to do a good job. But I wouldn't be afraid to get another opinion."
Bert W replied: "only build up you will ever get in a gas furnase set up is light carbon sooting and dust. manufacturers of any furnce set up will tell you to have your chimney or other ventilation system cleaned at least once every five years . dont be foolish get it done creosote is not the only danger in a chimney, also birds and squirrles love to nest around vents so they can also introduce flammable debries into your system. just some thing to think about"
rhsaunders replied: "The chimney needed to be cleaned once, when the gas log was installed. No further maintenance is required."
cowboydoc replied: "Unless you burn wood out of the same chimney, forget it." how do i replace a gas insert fireplace with a wood stove? what modifications need to be done to replace a gas insert fireplace with a wood burning stove? D-Rock replied: "The entire venting/chimney needs to be replaced. this is the most crucial part. gas appliances use "C" and "B" venting materials, which are single walled tin, and double walled tin respectively. these are not sufficient for combustible solids.
Burning solids requires an "A" vent. this is similar to a B vent but (it's been 10 years since i read this) it has a layer of insulation inbetween the pipe walls to keep the heat inside the chimney, and are much more air tight.
Call a professional wood burning stove installer, and they will do it PROPERLY. "A" vent is VERY expensive, (you could spend as much on the venting as you do on the stove) and you don't want to make any mistakes, or do it incorrectly.
removal of all of the other venting materials should be done before they get there to reduce cost."
Louis C replied: "Go to home depot rite up by the check out counter there is a book shelf full of D.I.Y. books find the one on chimneys it will show you what is involved. It can be done its a lot of work." i have two fireplaces in my home. one upstairs, one in the basement. can i put a gas insert in one of them? i want to put a gas insert in the upstairs fireplace and burn wood in the basement fireplace. same chimney, seperate flues. can this be done? Gaspode replied: "Since they don't share a flue, you should be able to."
renaissance man replied: "Yes."
dawg replied: "Yes, it can be done. Especially if you desire to kill yourself and your family with carbon monoxide. Contact a professional, not a bunch of strangers on a chat board."
AJ replied: "Yes... gas fireplaces don't need the chimney unless you want more heat to escape."
Molly replied: "Yes you can..
Just make sure the chimney is lined with the proper insert for the material that is to be burned. Gas and wood need different liners in the chimneys.." Can I light a gas insert fire place with a lighter? The igniter seems to have stopped working. Can I light the pilot with a lighter ? drinkupmehearties replied: "I am a little concerned about you trying this knowing that the igniter isn't working. Yes, Lighters can be used to light the pilot light, but I would have the fire place fixed and inspected by professionals. Good Luck and Be safe."
MT C replied: "Yes, you can do it, but very, very carefully. If you smell gas, don't try. By far the best thing to do is to call a technician and let them troubleshoot and fix it."
D S replied: "with a small lighter no...dangerous
with a fireplace lighter you may be able to but it does not fix the problem and thats what you should do"
BuddyL replied: "All the igniter really does is to take the place of a match. It saves you having to reach in and get your hands dirty -and maybe burn the hair on your knuckles. If there's a pilot light, then it's really a simple matter to use a match or cigarette lighter instead of the igniter. If access to the pilot is tight, then a long fireplace match or a long lighter, like the Ronson Aim 'n Flame, may be more convenient. When you hold down the switch or the red button, only the pilot will light, and there's no danger of anything else coming on to burn you. Sometimes the sudden pop of the flame can cause you to jump, and hit your head on the top of the fireplace. Be careful that you don't crack it. Get a new igniter whenever you can. No rush. It's not going to blow up if the igniter isn't working."
cowboydoc replied: "Use a long barbecue lighter so you don't burn yourself." how to build a Gas insert firebox ? I have a gas insert that needs to be vented . My question is , is it possible to build a fire box out of wood for it to be housed in . I don't have a chimney for it to fit in . Or is there some other way to build a enclosure for it and vent it right through the wall to the outside .
come on people , i know people build there own fireplaces . Bob 438 replied: "Leave it to the experts. If you screw up your design you can cause carbon monoxide to enter your home. This could be deadly.
Bad idea."
Rusty Nail replied: "I wouldn't try to answer this on a bet......." Where do I find a wood burning heating stove with a gas insert that kindles the wood and comes on when wood bu This stove will keep temp in house up by having gas heat when wood burns out.This would occur in middle of night or when we are away. jwolfy2003 replied: "i would doubt that they make what you are looking for.a good free-standing, air tight, wood burning stove should burn a load of wood over night. ( 8 to 10 hours )if you had a gas insert that then took over, i would think the cost of the gas to heat the stove to, in turn heat the house would be far greater than just letting your furnace do it's job" What have your experiences been with gas fireplaces and heating cost savings? We have a fireplace where the chimney has been sealed off. We are considering a gas insert but want to try to do a bit of a cost benefit analysis regarding heating costs. We have hot water radiator heat now and this would supplement the heat in the area that we spend the most time in. Thanks! Moon Raker replied: "Nice to look at, but a lot of the heat goes up the chimney"
HalfHandy2 replied: "By gas fireplace I am hoping you are not referring to a vented gas log fireplace. If that is the type you are referring to than save your money and your gas. Gas logs are notoriously inefficient and worse yet they require that the damper is to be blocked open all the time (yes, that means even when you are not using it). When you are using a vented gas log it run at 10% efficiency and will burn in 3 hours what a furnace will burn in a day. I took my vented gas log in the basement out and plugged the damper with a chimney balloon to seal it nice and tight, and now I just burn candles in there every once in a while.
Now, If you are referring to putting in a direct vent fireplace or stove you are on to something...These direct vent units work like a direct vent furnace and create very usable and efficient heat especially if you are looking for zone heating for one main room. My sister has a direct vent stove that heats a 1500 square foot apartment with 12 foot ceilings and cold brick walls, and it does it for a reasonable cost. Her therm consumption is slightly over mine, But I have a 1200 square foot ranch with a power vent furnace and ducts.
So the moral of the story is gas logs=bad, direct vent stove or fireplace = good." Why does my gas fireplace make a "drumroll rattle" sound periodically when it is not running? We have lived in the house six weeks or so, it was built in '94. This is a gas insert in a real fireplace (we have a chimney)...the pilot light is always on.
It very irregularly (like once a week or less) does this weird thing where it starts to make a drumroll or machine gun noise for about two seconds then stops. It continues to do this at irregular intervals until we turn the fireplace on and run it a while. Then it stops again for a week or more before it starts again....what gives? Is there air in the line or something? I am going to call the gas company but wondered if anyone heard of this happening before. It drives my dog crazy. She thinks there's some critter in there!
Nope, it is not windy. Nope, it's not a woodpecker. It's very loud and coming from the pipe area. Gwot-expedition replied: "Yeah, it could be air. I'd get a plumber to come look at it."
tim D replied: "Usually is just the metal settling."
MusicMan5537 replied: "Is it windy outside when it does that? Possibly wind coming in from the top and rattling something.
When it's windy here, wind comes down my kitchen range vent and makes a noise."
Josh replied: "Your dog may just be right-there was an article in the globe (or was it the star?) the other day about someone seeing terrorist rats (carrying a drum, if you can believe it) coming out of their furnace duct! They all were carrying miniature AK's and wearing turbans too."
xmate211 replied: "I live in Arizona and I am very familar with the problem it is called a woodpecker the more noise they make the better the chances of getting a mate they do it to my fireplace all the time not much you can do but I slap the inside of the damper with the coal shovel and it will scare them away for a little while good luck don't be mad at woody"
H-vaker replied: "It's most likely the air blowing across the top of your chimney creating a vacuum and trying to suck the pilot light out. I've seen this before and been on a few service calls where the pilot actually went out." |
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